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written by Senor ding dong on Sep 12, 2006 00:41
Uggh, I have been an avid Guild Wars player pretty much since release, and quit last christmas, but recently I took up WoW, and it is the polar opposite of Guild Wars... Still bad IMO.

In guild wars, It is INSANLY easy to get the "best" armor, and best weapons... And all this is in roleplaying mode, In PVP you actually start with the best everything.. Therefore, there is little reason to buy any of the expansions.. I can never really devolp my character to be any better, impossible to get better weapons, or armor, or anything really, since it all caped out from the very first chapter.

Now on wow... its almost impossible to get good items, unless I decide to waste my whole life grinding, or fishing for 8 days straight 0_o...

is it really that impossible to make a good MMORPG?
oatmeal, are you crazy?
written by Raptorjedi on Sep 12, 2006 01:25
It isn't impossible at all. It sounds like you really haven't been playing WoW all that much if thats what you think. I have a pair of epic pants and I spent maybe two hours playing to get them, and I rarely play more than 7 or 8 hours a week.


WoW has a little something for everyone, you can play hardcore or casually and still end up with good stuff. And it isn't impossible to make a good MMORPG either, you might think it isn't good, but 7 million other people say otherwise.
written by Senor ding dong on Sep 12, 2006 02:58
I'm not saying it's bad... No, wait, I am.

I am not saying that it isn't fun. But I fail to see a "why."

There are seeminly obvious things in the game that are "timesinks" or "goldsinks" to keep people playing/paying. That mantra in the game alone leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But I guess I can't have it both way, either I pay for a gold sink, or I don't pay for... Anything.

EDIT: And yes, you are correct, I have only played the 14 day trial. These are just things I observed/heard people talking about.
oatmeal, are you crazy?
written by Raptorjedi on Sep 12, 2006 04:32
Well there was a time in WoW where most of the "gold sinks" meant something. Like epic mounts, there was a time where if you had one, you were fucking uber But a year into the game and that isn't so anymore, now the uber people have things like Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian, which only one person has that I know of. 7 million people playing and probably only one person has it. Timesinks like that are worth it sometimes, because you get to say things like "I did this FIRST". There are a few other timesinks like rep grinding and honor, but the honor system is changing in the expansion. Really there aren't that many gold sinks I can think of, mounts are the biggest ones, armor repair and talent respects are others.

Going back to being uber, I remember when lowbies would go "ooooooh" when I got my mount for the first time.
written by Senor ding dong on Sep 12, 2006 04:34
Ahh, i see i see. From what I have heard, isn't the honor system all out of wack? I mean, how they try and prevent the raids and whatnot?
oatmeal, are you crazy?
written by Raptorjedi on Sep 12, 2006 04:42
Yeah, the honor system is messed up, you get dishonorable kills for killing some NPCs, and that tends to scare people away from city raiding, because if they get killed (and they will) that causes you to lose some honor. But they are supposedly doing away with that in the expansion as well as bringing in a neutral city that factions can control, so the Horde can take it over, and the Alliance have to fight if they want it, and you can capture towers around the edge and do bombing runs over the city on flying mounts. And the honor system is being changed to a point system, where you get points for kills and you can spend them on things, instead of how it is right now where just to keep the highest PvP rank you have to literally play every single day. I have heard stories of High Warlords who lost relationships, and barely ate just to keep up with their rank. It ruined their life because they were so obsessed with being the best of the best at PvP.
krush kill 'n destroy
written by Geekofdeath on Sep 16, 2006 19:39
Well, I found out that Fray Island is the neutral warrior training place. It's south of the Tidus Stair which is on the Merchant Coast.
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